Talks with Gautam Sachdeva, May 2019, Mumbai (With Subtitles)

Talks with Gautam Sachdeva, May 2019, Mumbai (With Subtitles)


Yesterday was my spiritual teacher’s birthday. 25th May. 1915 I think he was born. He passed away at the age of 92. And the first project I worked with him on was a book called the ultimate understanding which was for me quite difficult to understand because I was new to the subject but what I really liked was he had written a letter to God. He was 84 then when I met him he was 83 or 84. And that letter to God is what touched my heart. So I requested him. I said is it okay if we include this at the end of the book and he said sure. So I’d like to read that letter out to you all because for me that was a very transforming aspect of the teaching being lived not just when it came to writing
books and reading books but a life lived through this teaching from someone who was 83 or 84 at that time and what is the expression of that life. “Dear God, this is my record of eternal gratitude to you.” This can actually be the end of the
prayer because it says it all. It’s just the first line because it is said that the only true
prayer is the prayer of gratitude. “You gave me birth in a most respected Hindu family but not high enough in social status to make me proud, you gave me a physical form well
admired for its perfection but it was small enough to keep me humble, you gave me education high enough
to be most useful in life but not high enough to make me proud, you gave me success in sports
high enough to be satisfied but not proud, you gave me a career in which you
took me high enough to be admired but not high enough to make me arrogant, you gave me a wife and family for which
I have always been eternally grateful but you did not spare me some grief to remind me not to forget what life is all about and to be always grateful for what I do have, you did not forget to place an adequate
number of temptations in my way so that I may not be too critical of others
who have to face their own temptations. I am now 84 and perhaps the only wish that remains is that the long life you have given me will not carry a burden at the end but in that case I know you will also give me the
necessary courage to go with it. You gave me a lot to show me how little is needed to be content and to show me how much could be given away and undoubtedly the most important of all as if the bounty you have showered
on me were not enough you crowned your achievement by using this psychosomatic apparatus to convey to the world the most important message of advaitha. Truly I am blessed or indeed my beloved have you not blessed yourself? Finally it occurs to me if you were to design for yourself a life in phenomenality could it have been much different from this one? and for this thought no tears are enough to wash your numinal feet because the story of all our lives are the same. fundamentally. Everyone sees ups and downs losses and gains because that is the design of life That is what he is trying to point to throughout this letter to God he was a bodybuilding champion state level, but yet he was short. He went to the London School of Economics but yet he never excelled in that sense. So this is what he was trying to
point to throughout the letter When he says “You gave me a wife and family
for which I have always been grateful but you did not spare me some grief to remind me not to forget what life is all about and to be grateful for what I have.” He lost a son. But how many of us are grateful for
what God has given us? Or is our life of living complaint every day I’m not happy with my job and family There are two prayers which perhaps are the most sacred one is the prayer of gratitude and the other which comes from this book called A Course in Miracles which is to pray for the release
of all fear-based thoughts because you will be quite surprised if you look at all the thoughts
which come up during the day 99 percent will be fear-based thoughts. What will happen to ME? 99% is fear based thoughts. And can you try to remove your fear based thoughts? You can’t. That is what surrender is. Dear lord, please help me
release my fear based thoughts. And the outcome of both is peace of mind. Either it’s fear of the other or it’s the fear of God but the pivot is fear. So what this teaching does is, it dissolves fear-based thinking which is always going into a dead past or an imaginary future. That is where fear gets its fuel from. It’s identification, this happened to me in the past
this might happen to me in the future, the hold and the grip of the me which the me is willing to give up
when it goes to sleep. We have no problem in going to sleep. Isn’t that an irony? With full confidence that we will wake up the next day. Where did that come from? and where did that confidence go in the waking state? The burden of fear is the burden we carry not out of choice because that has been the design of life since we were young children. Mistrust walked in and trust walked away from us because we became afraid, because we started losing
things in our life while we were growing up and we didn’t want to keep losing. That is why Ramesh would say always consider
your glass half full and not half empty because you must trust that if God has brought you so far why do you think he would drop you here? Hasn’t he brought you so far? What do you say?.. Have you come from Nagpur? Yes You flew down or took a train or how does one come? I took a plane. This morning? No,Yesterday I came. so what brings you here? What brings me here? Actually just want to know, I just want to meet with you. How the enlightened person could sit. I just want to know that , I don’t know, I watch your video on youtube and it touch my heart. Like when it feels to do meditation
I just start your video, just watching and just listening to your teaching and
be with the teaching it works. That’s nice Or maybe you get so bored that you fall off to sleep. This is called love. Not a person-to-person love. Consciousness has heard its own voice. That is what has brought you here. It has got nothing to do with me as a person. You have heard something, sensed something and felt something
which was so intimate to you that it took you to a very deep place. That deep place, where the thinking mind has no role to play and that is what has brought you here Because I feel, I am very eager to know myself. I am very much eager. Daily when I wake up in the morning, I say, how could I know myself. Two days before when I woke up, I thought that
when I was in sleep I was in touch with me. When I wake up, I think in my mind, again I have to
play the drama, again I have to go in the world. I think I was in very peace when I was in my sleep. When I wake up I thought again
I have to go and do this and that. I don’t want to do all this thing, I want to be in me. It is really peace inside. But see that is precisely the point. That peace does not go anywhere. That I know, but I don’t want to, I cannot hold that peace because whenever I
go out in my clinic and anywhere else, I feel there is distraction, I again
catch it once, but again I get distracted. That is the nature of living. That is the nature of life and living. Sri Aurobindo said that it cannot be that the spiritual evolution
happens only through meditation because meditation is an internal journey but life is even the external and therefore
the work becomes the meditation. You cannot have it only as an internal journey because daily living IS about working, being engaged. The point is, is that engagement total engagement
in the working mind or is it distracted by the thinking mind? That is the difference because then daily living
itself is also a meditation. Your daily living itself becomes a meditation. It must be integrated but yes because you have tasted the peace the natural wish is that it permeates through daily living but that cannot happen if you want to
disconnect from daily living and just be with yourself and be with the peace
which you feel when you sit at home or in meditation. They must merge because your life is one expression from birth to death. It’s not splintered into when I work, when I’m at home,
when I am in meditation. And I think it was Sathya Sai
Baba I am not sure who said that true meditation is the living understanding
that God exists at all times. Means the total acceptance of what is, including something you may not like. The total acceptance of God’s will. The total acceptance of people
the way God has made them. The total acceptance of yourself
the way God has made you. How could we know about ourself How could we..in our journey know about
ourselves, how could we analyze where the path is getting blocked. Where
can we analyze ourself to know the truth. How could we say that where the journey got blocked and what our behavior, what is the internal blockages,
our behavior, thoughts, thinking mind. How can we know where our journey has stopped. There is only one measure. By the degree of peace that you feel. There is no other criteria and it is the job of the thinking mind
to take one away from that peace. That is what the thinking mind is very good at. The thinking mind which is the ego
based on a sense of doer-ship. The moments of deep peace that you feel is something to be so grateful for
because many people don’t feel that. But the mind has already gone into the zone
of the moments when I don’t feel at peace. That is the nature of the thinking mind to ask questions after questions after questions. That is why I say thank God for your sleep and people think I’m saying something quite foolish. But thank God for your sleep because that
is a gift of peace which God has given you. We don’t thank God for our sleep. There are so many people who don’t sleep
because their thinking mind is so active, this happened to me, this is the story of
my life, why did God do this to me, what have I done wrong to God, why is this person behaving in this way,
what is the society thinking of me, I have been a failure at work, why was I a failure, I put in my best,
I should not have been a failure. That is the drama of the thinking mind which makes one lose peace and lose sleep. The ME keeps coming back, keeps
coming back, keeps coming back, through the backdoor. The thinking mind reasserts itself through this process. And all that is needed is witnessing of
the mechanics of the thinking mind. Not of wanting it to be less. Because that creates frustration. Just simply witnessing, that “Oh I have this preference that my thinking mind
is not engaged because when it is not, I’m at peace.” That is enough. But to wish a certain condition away
is not going to make it go away as we all know. It is a sincere wish, no doubt, it is a voice from the heart. Now one has to trust the force of life to make it happen. Did you choose to experience the moments of peace
that you did when you watched the videos? Was it a choice? So it was the absence of the person
who thought he had a choice which resulted in those experiences of peace. Was it in your control? So then is there any point trying to control
the times when one is not at peace? Why not trust that same force which made you feel what you felt in the heart to do the rest of the job? And it will. There’s no going back. You cannot walk
backwards on the spiritual journey. You know why? Because you’re not going forward. You’re going home. You are going home. Can you ever forget your name in this life? Can you forget that my name is Ramakant? Because you know it. Can you forget your home once you know your home? you may think you might not find
the way back, which is the thinking mind. So just trust that. That force which is far greater than the puny human intellect and ego with its sense of doer-ship. Trust that, that it will take you home. And taking you home means nothing but the annihilation of the thinking mind. It is not a destination. It is where you already are. The baby up to the age of two,
when the ego starts forming, does not have the burden of memory. We are all carrying on our shoulders the
burden of memory, this happened to me, this is MY sad and sorry life story, but that pure joy, pure being, the
child Krishna, the baby Krishna, did not carry that burden that happened
through the process of life and living. So going home means picking up
that burden and putting it down. And then one is left with the peace of being, not being this or that, not wearing
masks, but simply being. But we are so busy being at war
with ourselves and with others, with our life situations, our life
circumstances, people we don’t like, that the simple joy and peace of being gets overlooked. Is someone else here from out of Bombay? Where have you come from? Aurangabad That’s for the recording. What’s your name? Kranti I am not feeling new here, this is a daily scenario
for me, been watching your videos daily That’s not a compliment Oh! I mean Your voice , and everything I see here, its like I am daily here, its only that the physical body is here now I am a friend of eknath and sangita introduced you to me and since then
I have been listening to you. Has it made life simpler? Much more Like I say this teaching doesn’t make
life easier but it makes it simpler. …don’t feel burdened, I don’t have anything to be angry
or have grudges, feeling so free and liberated That’s great Life is going on as it was but am at peace with it… its just beautiful, I can’t express..
when I just sit listening and meditating… Doing nothing..Actually happening nothing this was a powerful statement of Ramana Maharishi,
Who am I, to Nisargadatta Maharaj’s I am that, and Rameshji, everything is consciousness. You know someone who is not a fan of
Ramana Maharshi and Nisargadatta Maharaj. I don’t know if I said this in one talk. She said I don’t understand these two guys, year.
One says “Who am I?”, the other says “I am that”. and Ramesh would say, of course his main
phrase was all there is is consciousness, but he would say while Maharaj says “I am that”, living that means, that is me, you, he and she. We are all instruments of that. We all come with our specific conditioning what was given to us by life, our surroundings, our circumstances, our education, our religion. We have all been shaped by that conditioning and we all come with our innate nature, our genetics, the
way we have been programmed, through which we take life’s decisions. So we are all instruments just like
the gadgets in the kitchen. Each one is programmed to bring about
what it is designed to bring about. But what happens here in our lives, we want the toaster to produce juice,
we want the microwave to act as a fridge, that is how we want people to be the way we want them to be, not the way that the divine has designed them. No you should not be this way, you should be this way, I should not think like that, I should have thought like that and then the conflicts and the battles and the wars
start with the world and ourselves within, Hatred, condemnation, blame, guilt, which is a very big thing, shame, malice, jealousy, envy, arrogance and pride. Why? Because either someone did something
or we did something or either someone didn’t do something
or we didn’t do something. I was not good enough how could I have done that. The motive for everything is love but it has got covered by all this. We need to let the love be. We don’t leave the love to be love. That is why Maharaj said life is love and love is life. In that letter which you read, where Ramesh said
“You blessed yourself”, he transacended that separation. Yes because there is no other, right? If you are an instrument of the divine and you live that way where is the separation between
the divine and yourself? It is not coming from an egoic position. Someone had told Meher Baba “What is this nonsense? everywhere you go running
around saying I am the avatar I am the avatar.” And Meherbaba who has written a book called God speaks
about all the levels of consciousness which were experienced by him through his process of spiritual awakening was asked this question and his answer was very simple he said you know you are man? The man said “yes I am a man.” So he said “I know I’m the avatar. Because I know it. I have experienced
the states of Godhood. But see, we, when we see this as an
individual, we superimpose that on others. How can he say that? How dare he say that? That is what we start doing, because we see everything as separate
as a subject object relationship. That is what happens. We split everything and then
it becomes a judgment on the other. He was not forcing someone else
to follow him or anything. He just said “I know what it means, what is that
state of consciousness, what it means.” That’s it. But we are so busy because we carry
with us this whole stack of labels, those self-adhesive labels, we start sticking
it on everyone’s foreheads that we meet. That this person is this, this person is this, this person is, Anoop is mean, Dipesh is jealous, Jigar is naughty and all these labels, we see everyone
with labels we have decided. Who they represent and what they represent to us
and stuck labels on everyone’s foreheads. And then we wear this mask and we
start interacting with these various forms. You were saying something? With the same reference actually, I was going through
Ramesh’s book, “Everything is consciousness”, I have a question and that question
was already there in my mind, When we are talking about… he is talking about the
consciousness at rest and unconsciousness. So if I am dis-identifying with my mind but still I am a body mind organism. Is it possible for me to be in the form and
experience that which is beyond consciousness… consciousness means it could be that enrgetic form.. as you have given an example of Meher baba…. because there are so many gurus
who have experienced that .. I still don’t know, its intellectual for me, right now, So just wanted to know, is it possible to
be in the form and just experience that? But haven’t they all been in their forms? Ya, that’s what…I am, I am wondering what
exactly that experience might be. I must be silly. It’s not a silly question but you see this also points to something which is the
new trend which I have seen happening in the circles of non-duality and advaitha, that one must transcend the person. You see. Because if one is living as a person, where is the question of transcending the person? Someone wrote me a mail two days ago
saying that one of her parents is ailing and it’s painful to watch an ailing parent, okay? So then she saw some video somewhere which said that if you are really on the path of
non-duality and advaitha then you should not be affected, because if you have lost your personhood, you should not be affected and you should be calm
and sit comfortably and accept this is all God’s will. But please, we are all human beings,
we are not zombies here, right? We are made to feel So obviously if your parent is ailing and there’s
not much you can do about it you will feel pain too. That is the human experience. But with the understanding that
this is God’s will, this was meant to happen, I have done my best in terms of care and looking after, beyond that I can’t do much, what happens is that the pain is accepted totally. The additional drama of my God why did this
happen to me, why did God do this to me? what will I do now? That is erased and this is the same for the sage
as well as for the ordinary person. This fact that life will bring these painful moments but what the ordinary person does is he
gets involved in his pain and makes it my pain whereas the sage sees pain in the
moment as pain in the moment. That is the difference. So to be in some transcendental state of losing
the personhood and all, is not going to happen. Because it’s, you know your love when you feel pain. Isn’t that beautiful? Isn’t there love behind the pain you feel? how would you know that? Why? Because you feel it’s happening to you. Someone else’s pain is your pain. Isn’t that love? So we needn’t aspire for those heights, for those states of consciousness or Samadhi or whatever but the bedrock of one’s daily living being peace and on that bedrock build whatever you have to. That is it. Your gift to the world is the gift of peace. And when you don’t judge someone
you are gifting peace. When you don’t judge yourself you are gifting peace. I have a question. As you mentioned sometimes, that we
judge people and we label people, that this is jealous and this is mean
and put labels to different persons. So during this spiritual journey, it happens
so, during these talks and reading books, that intellectually I know that
all are instruments of God But they may behave that way. Somebody may behave mean,
somebody may behave selfishly, so actually they are behaving through
that conditioning that they have had. And we may not label it but we may have to
deal with them according to their behavior. So just wanted clarification. Of course. You have to do exactly what you feel and think you
should do in that situation, in that relationship, but when your overriding thought is that this person is
precisely the way they have been made by God, that removes the sting in the relationship. That finger-pointing stops. Then you do what you need to do. If you have to express your point of view
you have to express your point of view. And the usual mechanics of daily living take over, but you will not go to sleep thinking that this
person is like this, this person did this to me, that dialogue is erased and that is when an intellectual
understanding has sunk into the heart because over time you see this that let’s
say two years ago three years ago my whole life story was about all this labeling, hating, judging people and now I don’t do it anymore, am still facing situations, relationships at work, at home, with friends, but that part of the dialogue has dropped. That is when you know the
teaching has gone into the heart. So in that case if that person’s behavior demands
that I need to be angry with him, so that is ok. See, if anger arises that is okay. Anger in the moment. But what we do is we hold on to that anger and we make a story out of it and then we say it is I got
angry at so-and-so person I should not have got angry. Anger may arise, like we are human, there may be a situation where we flare up. But if we are so invested in the anger we may not even want to go and apologize to
the person later and say look I’m really sorry if I hurt you Many people can’t do that because they are so invested in the anger, that my god I got angry with this person, now I can’t say anything, I’m not going to apologize, why
should I apologize I was right , the other person was wrong. But if you felt that, no, this person
might have got hurt by what I said. Anger in the moment would mean next moment
you could have a laugh with that person, crack a joke, be normal and say look I’m really sorry if this
happened but I had no control over it but we make that anger into a story
and we drag it behind us, Another question was [inaudible] experiencing
these states of consciousness. So I also had some kind of questions
or eagerness to know about this, that different paths give different experiences,
spiritual experiences related to the [inaudible]. For an example, if somebody is on the kriya marg, so he may
experience different kind of spiritual experience related to consciousness and somebody of advaitha may experience something of different intensity So therefore? What is the question? The question is if suppose there are
two people one person is walking [inaudible] and other is on kriya path, so they have a different spiritual
experience of consciousness, Ofcourse. There are so many
experiences of consciousness. If you read the Gorakhnath’s books
he will take you through all of them. But that is one aspect of experiences of consciousness. But what about, what is your life’s expression now? While you are talking to me,
what is your life’s expression now? Let’s talk about that. Is it one of peace or is it one of conflict? Because you may have all the
experiences of consciousness you like but your life could still be one
where you are not at peace. Even after having those experiences? Of course. In our scriptures there are yogis who
have faltered on the path. Our scriptures are full of them, in moments of anger things have been
said and done which they have regretted. Supposing God came to you and said I will give you 48 experiences of Samadhi, each one different from the other or a life of complete peace with what happens. But if I give you those 48 experiences
of Samadhi, your life, I don’t know it could be one of conflict, misery,
I don’t know, disturbed mind, which one would you take? That is why they say, with peace of mind all else follows and that is not because you will get all else. Because the me which wants is dissolved. When Maharaj said “I don’t make disciples, I make gurus”, he was not referring to gifting
the disciples the various states of samadhi and consciousness which would make them gurus, his whole teaching was, abide in your being. Because if one lives that then one is a guru, not in the sense
of a guru versus a disciple, but guru as consciousness
which is the meaning of the word guru. Then why it takes so much time
to know ourselves if we are that? That is the thinking mind which is asking that question. Isn’t that beautiful? It’s not in your control.. that is itself not in your control to even
ask that question is not in your control. I’m sorry you had to come for just one
talk because there’s one talk a month but you’re more than welcome to come back. It’s an expensive proposition but.. But you see whether or not you
come back is already decided. Your coming here had got nothing to do with you. The thought to come had got nothing to do with you. The universe had to conspire for you to be here, someone had to invent the plane. You would not have been here.
Are you grateful to the ones who invented the planes? Are you grateful to the website
on which you booked the ticket. That someone made it, right?
so you could book your ticket. Are you grateful to God that you had
the financial means to come here? Can you not see the way the Lord, consciousness,
the source, operates to make things happen when they are meant to happen. It’s quite awe inspiring and when they are not meant to happen it won’t happen. So this was meant to happen. Can you please tell about your journey ‘s
beginning and about reaching the path? That will be another talk then you have to come back. If you come back I will tell you about it. It was a journey of what I call the accident
of fate because I had no interest in all this. It’s quite interesting. I’m so grateful to God because not only of this journey but even
as a publisher of spiritual books, I have had such fascinating
encounters and experiences and stories which would be nice to share at some
point because there’s so much to learn there’s so much one has learnt on the journey of life. So next time you come we will talk about it. Anything else you’d like to ask? You’re going back today? And kranti what about you? Are you going back today? You took the train? In the morning, I took the bus. It’s about five hours? Anything you’d like to add or.. ? when you experience that peace, you obviously want
that people around you should be at peace but it becomes very difficult for this thing to work with
them, with their rigid mindset, specially with parents we find them very..at least at that end stage
I want to see them happy , peaceful and no matter how I try to make them
understand this…it doesn’t happen Yes. All you can do is try. All you can do is try but also you needn’t try and give peace to people. If one has a vibration of peace then the others sense that and
that is what makes them peaceful so it is not necessarily a process of
words and telling people things. so it should not be a deliberate attempt… You can try, because your intentions are of course noble and pure that you would like to explain
things to people and parents or whatever. Parents specially, they are suffering,I can see that,
unnecessary worries. They need not be worried about. Sure, but all you can do is try
and the results are in God’s hands. But yet, to be your self at peace
is a gift which you are giving. Just like the Sun. The nature of the Sun is to shine and the Sun does not make a distinction on who
will receive its light and who will not. That is how when one is peaceful there is no
differentiation of the people around you because it’s got nothing to do with them. Your light of peace is shining upon everything
that you see and which is in your field. Everyone is on the same journey. We needn’t try and control the journey of
our parents either or our children for that matter. If it is meant to happen it will happen. Now you all have come from
so far for one talk of one hour. Supposing there were no words exchanged, supposing Ramakant didn’t say a word right now and there’s no exchange of sound, because words are sound, would that love be any less?
The love which brought you all here. So that is already there when it comes to your parents So to try to make them understand, to try to
convince them, is fine, at the level of the mind. But if that love is already there, then it’s already fulfilled you see. Then it is their destiny. Everyone has their own destiny . and everything has its own destiny. When my teacher was over at my home, my mother had written her second book
on her spiritual awakening and it was all very new to her and she
wanted to share her experiences so she asked him, she asked Rameshji that I’ve written the second book and
now you know I really hope that those who experience what
I’ve experienced can benefit from it and he said, “Look writing the book was your destiny, now what happens to the book is the book’s destiny.” And that is why satsangs are so beautiful
because it is the love of truth. We are all here because we have that in common. Sat-sang. Because at some level we all feel
that what is going on is a play. That is the beauty of satsang. It’s really a gift to have these opportunities.
I considered nine years with my teacher as a gift, because, why? Because here we are not coming with our masks. We are all leaving our masks at the door and coming. Because consciousness is speaking and
consciousness is listening. So the value of satsang can never be overstated. Along the path of advaita, as little as I understand, I was recently seeing, interview of
Papaji and he was asked that, To my understanding, he is the teacher of understanding
the self which I understand to be advaita..and.. he was asked that people have this experience
when they are with him, know the self. ….[inaudible]… when they sit with him,
but when they go back or go away, over time they lose that that
experience that they have had, when he asked why it happens so, he said because may
be they were not worthy to hold on to the experience. So my question there was that what is, in
this context, or generally speaking, when we experience some things whether on our own or
whether with a master, or at a spiritual place, but these are little more than ..[inaudible]..
experience..[inaudible] it comes and it goes, may be deeper or shallow experiences, what would he mean by
not being worthy, in this context? Frankly I wouldn’t know and there must
have been a context in which he said it. Because you see nobody can not be worthy, We are all children of the same source
so where is the question of worth? But what context he said it in I do not know. Now I will give you an example. Lakshmana Swamy had said that in Arunachala,
in and around Arunachala thiruvannamalai, supposing a person has not got an
adequate amount of sattva and he’s mainly Rajas and Tamas that
mountain can do more harm than good. So if the attribute of sattva is not there it’s probably
better for that individual not to be in that field. So worthy could be in such a context
which is not an individual worth but the criteria and conditions
based on the gunas etcetera etcetera. So I don’t know in what context papaji said but the beauty of this teaching
is peace of mind is everybody’s birthright. Everybody is equally worthy. You had come with a friend last time, no? Oh you came with Jigar? How is your new job? I just started, very initial stage, so still not sure. Don’t have that clarity..[inaudible]… Wait and see what happens. I have a question. I have heard about so many people
doing sadhanas in the Himalayas, so what about that sadhana and what exactly we are? So is the particular path that we are
doing sadhana and reaching the path of enlightenment, if we are not doing anything else and we just let the
teaching work on us, so how could we reach this path? Your daily living is your sadhana. Your daily living is your sadhana. Their choice
is to be in the cave, that’s their sadhana. So is there any difference in their path and our path? What does it matter? Be concerned with your path. How could we know that what is our path? This is your path. The path you are walking on is your path. The challenges you face in the day, the situations
you encounter, that is your spiritual practice. If you were not here you would not be here. If you are not meant to be here,
you would not be here. But you are here. If you are meant to give up everything and go
and sit and meditate in a cave that would happen. Is there any difference that their analysis or their knowing their self is different, than what we know or self,that is different. that their path is different they are
doing meditation sitting in the cave and continuously whole day they are doing meditation and here are we are doing daily works Their experience is different
what they know about themselves what exactly we are doing and not doing here.
What is the difference in both of them? Like you said, the experience is different.
The question is the same. Who am I, where do I come from and where am I going? Because we see that those who
do lot of sadhana get enlightened fast and those who do not do sadhana or who are working then they
do not reach enlightenment. Is that so? I don’t think so because for every one
account you know it has happened there’ll be thousands where it has not happened
in spite of years and years of sitting in caves. Your concern should be peace of mind in daily living. When that becomes the one and only focus of life
and living that becomes the spiritual practice. But others say they are doing this
sadhana and that sadhana…. Arey, leave the others. Forget about them. Just
stay with your own journey and your own practice. But it disturbs our mind… Of course it can disturb because one starts comparing. That is also my question which I asked. That was the same question which is
very much connected to this question. Because there are so many options available
for a seeker. It is all very confusing. Ya… One interview of a man, a very old one,
I had seen on youtube. He was with Osho for many years
and Osho described his enlightenment experience as thousand suns shining and lightening of thousand volts
and all these things and he said that all these people who were with Osho
at that time they were so enamored with chasing
that enlightenment experience but towards the end he said even after so many years he realizes that nothing actually needs to happen and it ended there. and so it has to be different for different people. It would be lovely to have you back. All of you all, but since he has come from far
he has got a special mention… and Kranti.